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SSChat Nov 29 Methods to Give Up and to Add
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by Ron Peck 13 years, 4 months ago
We will get the numbers to you, but hoping to get #sschat to 50 participants on a regular basis. Thanks for you new participants #sschat
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I want to thank everyone for participating tonight. I'll have the archive up shortly. DM me or @ Becky_Ellis_ for moderator ideas. #sschat
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I like using 'speedlearning' to engage kids in 1:1 conversations with each other... forces even the quietest kid to participate. #sschat
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@ Becky_Ellis_ absolutely. but i thnk its easy to get caught up in the "new toys" sometimes. Have to be constantly aware of balance #sschat
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@ martinmoran21 Technology such as online teaching platforms are just a tool to help with the curriculum. They shouldn't drive it. #sschat
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"Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." #sschat
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I can think of several people who would be outstanding to guest moderate but want everyone to have a chance. #sschat
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Hardest balance to strike for techie teachers: Is curriculum driving tech or is tech driving curriculum? #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck tech integration is the way 2 go for today's kids 2 engage they can use movie maker, make webquests etc #sschat
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Signing off for night. Thanks to #sschat teachers! I'd be personally geeked if any of you call in tomorrow for my webinar! Carpe Diem!
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As our time is quickly winding down we would like to open #sschat to guest speakers starting in December. #sschat
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I try to avoid the negative complaining teachers. I address them in training by challenging them to work on improving what they do. #sschat
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@ Becky_Ellis_ Oh no, I don't think you should do any one thing ALL of the time. Whatever usefulness it had goes out the window. #sschat
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@ Nia808 I would refer them to #sschat, I see people sharing new resources and ideas very freely. Inspiring and contagious.
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I do believe that there can be an effective use of "worksheets." It's all in how you structure them and value them in the process. #sschat
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use twitter to find guest speakers! who do you follow? would your students be interested in what they have to say? #sschat
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@ kconners09 #sschat not hat I am aware of , we can start one!!! science and social studies
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#sschat had that asked of me the other day, and I said if this old 40 something can do the younger ones can , besides it is so much fun!!!
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@ lamoureuxr Rachelle, the problem is apathy by society and they want us to fix it. Parents, students, teachers don't care enough. #sschat
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I called George Washington once to see if he would b a guest speaker. He never called me back :-) #sschat
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ive found that sometimes the simplest question ("Why did ____ happen?"), with only a little info, sometimes does the trick. #sschat
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@ merchantkrystle Sad to say that more often I hear teachers complaining about what is wrong instead of working to improve teaching #sschat
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Devil's Advocate: Developing/implementing new ideas takes time that we don't have. What do u say 2 teachers who say that? #sschat
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@ blairteach I only sit down on my stool to rest my legs for a few moments. Can't imagine not being all over the room. #sschat
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#sschat how about guest speakers? that would be a great unit starter :)
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@ Becky_Ellis_ not necessarily. they can also create time for this type of convo in their own buildings. plenty of great minds. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck Once had a tchr ask me in trng if it's fair to expect a tchr to be on her feet all day. #sschat
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@ Becky_Ellis_ anytime u have kids read, eff. outlining/note-taking is an effective skill 4 them 2 use. #sschat
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Let's face it...if teachers give an assignment and then go sit at their desk, then they need to change or go. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck I think that you need admin buy in for twitter. It's too bad most haven't heard of the opportunities here #sschat
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@ blairteach I would agree and if used properly can be engaging and useful in the learning process. #sschat
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#sschat think about your fav teacher as a student...weren't they weird and didn't theykeep you on your toes? We (cont) http://tl.gd/77lq8p
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Thoughtful scaffolding, variety of methods/procedures, sprinkle in some vids/podcasts/images... all make the learning env. dynamic #sschat
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@ Becky_Ellis_ outling is mostly in same category as looking up & copying words in dictionary #sschat
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@ dlaufenberg told my kids to stop looking at me every time someone gives an answer - they can think too! made some difference #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck If only that were so. I'm afraid the reform talk is coming from business types wanting to cash in on the ed market. #sschat
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This is inspiring! Just imagine if we would be able to update curriculum! Great ideas, educators! #sschat
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@ becky_ellis_ Isn't that the truth. I have tried to turn my teachers onto Twitter, Edmodo, Diigo, etc. and they just don't want to. #sschat
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RT @ blairteach: @ Ron_Peck Neither textbooks nor worksheets are inherently evil; problem is what gets used & lack of variety. #sschat agreed!
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@ dlaufenberg speed learning sounds awesome. will definitely try that next semester! thanks. #sschat
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and that kids should be in conversation with other kids about their ideas... not just teacher/student flow of conversation. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck Neither textbooks nor worksheets are inherently evil; problem is what gets used & lack of variety. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck #sschat tweeps are such stellar examples that more teachers are getting a bigger pict. of what is possible.
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@ blairteach EXACTLY! I had 2 days in WH total 2 discuss cause & results of Revs in Haiti, Eng, France, America, and Lat. America! #sschat
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Again, yes. RT @ kyteacher: Would love to harness the great ideas in #sschat to build the ultimate US History curriculum. Any interest?
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#sschat mean let's face it... You allaren't normal! Lol. That's a good thing btw!
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@ Ron_Peck I think we here will agree to that, but out in the vast number of classrooms across the land, not so much. #sschat
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Would love to harness the great ideas in #sschat to build the ultimate US History curriculum. Any interest?
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@ Becky_Ellis_ I helped write curr. for our district. Goal was "get through" the curriculum. No more than 1-2 days per topic. #sschat
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And we just need to use a variety of activities to keep students engaged? Maybe get students involved in selecting the activities? #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck I find there are some good questions/activities in textbooks but tchrs often have stds skip the complex items. #sschat
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the real challenge isn't us...it's all the teachers not doing #sschat, or activities like it
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@ dlaufenberg do you provide ?'s with topic you're teaching? I've not heard of that! #sschat
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@ Becky_Ellis_ Exactly. When a pacing guide only allows 4 days for WW I, how in depth can one get? #sschat
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So, can we agree that most worksheets and answering questions out of the book need to be shelved for the most part? #sschat
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Also, key in the methods and procedures is to allow enough time for stdnts to wrap their heads around complex ideas/relationships #sschat
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@ blairteach it is problematic when the pacing guides don't always allow for in depth exploration of topics #sschat
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#sschat we have sample lessons across grade levels that you allure more than welcome to! I am also doing a webinar tomorrow at 6:30 est
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Good point by @ cybraryman1. Too many places are focuses on low-level test items so little time remains for deep learning. Sad. #sschat
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#sschat I am so glad I am in Iowa, seems we are not under the high stakes pressure you are all under :(
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It is not only methods/procedures that need to be examined; standards & pacing guides need serious refinement. (IMO) #sschat
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I like that there is a variety of tech and interactive options being discussed here. Nice! #sschat
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RT @ merchantkrystle: debates, presentations, hearings, trials, analyzing images & docs on an iwb or transparency, think/pair/share. #sschat
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#sschat is that because they are telling you how to teach or what to teach?
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4 corners when we talk about controversial decisions. Strong. Agree, Agree, Disagree, Strong. Dis. Studs move 2 their position. #sschat
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@ cybraryman1 It's the same way with AP courses. Not a lot of variety allowed for in those. #sschat
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debates, presentations, hearings, trials, analyzing images and docs on an iwb or even transparency, think/pair/share. #sschat
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RT @ padgets: #sschat poems, plays, public service announcement, xtranormal, iMovie, clay animation, voice thread, brochures, skyping.
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Over the years, I've found that some of my most effective lessons allow students to move around the room, engaging each other. #sschat
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Yes! RT @ padgets: #sschat poems, plays, public service announcement, xtranormal, iMovie, clay animation, voice thread, brochures,...
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Big problem especially in NYS is teaching for the SS Regents exams doesn't allow for too much fun activities #sschat
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@ Akevy613 Although I like having combined chats, I also like the subject-specific chats because they are smaller & easier to engage. #sschat
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Some ideas include PBL, cooperative learning, teacher for the day just to name a few. #sschat
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@ MsTeacher28 I like using Turning Point (response devices) to answer questions during class. It allows 4 immediate feedback. #sschat
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@ kconners09 I have started planning for 2nd semester to skype with my middle schoolers in Venezuela and classes around the world #sschat
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#sschat poems, plays, public service announcement, xtranormal, iMovie, clay animation, voice thread, brochures, skyping other classes
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Anyone collaborating globally? So important. #sschat.
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@ Becky_Ellis_ you're right...we should have a var of strategies that we "professionals" have at our disposal, dep on topic/students #sschat
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Just saw an ad for "I'm Proud to be an American Chia pets"...RIDICULOUS! #sschat
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@ lamoureuxr you can't guarantee engagement but you can sure set that as a goal for class #sschat
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#sschat I think we are in agreement in terms of needing to do a variety of things. Can you guys share specific ideas?
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#sschat it's so frustrating to hear our public officials speak only of math, science, and reading...where is our voice?
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@ becky_ellis_ My district is working to get every school using cooperative learning on some level. Good stuff! #sschat
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@ JeremyLenzi if you are remembering the teacher's name 26 years later that is a sign :) #sschat
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#sschat My favorite memories of my history class was when we acted out history not read it ":)
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I'm not doing a great job of multi-tasking tonight. Reading through #sschat from time to time...
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Just found #sschat. I teach 8th grade and I do NOT lecture. Use project based lrning & student lrning. Pls don't categorize
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@ cybraryman1 Couldn't agree more. So much literature teaches History. Why its not more integrated is beyond me. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck It seems like you have a great administration seeking to keep staff growing. Are all admins as aware? #sschat
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#sschat what bothers me is when poorly planned group work is called cooperative learning
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@ mshuflin I think there should b 1 that is more inviting so that all teachers will join and not limited by subject- #sschat #edchat
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I agree with the posts but I think the only way we'll progress as a discipline is to consider why things are the way they are. #sschat
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@ Becky_Ellis_ Thankfully, outlining every chapter didn't lessen my love for history, just my disdain for Mr. Detar. #sschat
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Balance is key. RT @ Ron_Peck: Not sure we want to reject anything we do. Just use it in moderation & more effectively. #sschat
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also, we have to take into account the high stakes testing environment we live in. To delve more deeply risks lower test scores. #sschat
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I am currently training our staff in cooperative learning strategies to increase engagement and success for students. Working well! #sschat
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@ Becky_Ellis_ I had to do this same thing in 1984. It did nothing more but breed contempt for the teacher and poor behavior. #sschat
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#sschat I have offered ever M-th teacher tech bytes afterschool, since Sept 1 without admin mandating, no one comes :()
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#sschat what are your favorite ways of getting students active and participating in lessons?
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RT @ cybraryman1: "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." #sschat || Hands on practice for me.
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@ Brian_ThomasTCI I would argue the love of sch begins to dwindle when high-stakes testing becomes the focus (late elementary) #sschat
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Question to #engchat Do you work with SS teachers when using History NF books? #sschat
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Methods used 2 engage students in a Soc Stud class can & should b used inall classes #sschat - We should try 2streamline chats @ #teachchat
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I think it is imp to focus on big ideas and essental ?'s. Design individual lessons from there. #sschat
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@ classroomtools Not sure we want to reject anything we do. Just use it in moderation and more effectively. #sschat
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If not interactivity - the students should be doing while the lecture is being told - mapping I find is great - or organizing facts. #sschat
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telling someone not to lecture without helping them add other methods to their repertoire is counterproductive. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck Use it only if it makes sense in the situation where we plan to put it to work. #sschat
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@ brian_thomastci The same could be said about any method of instruction. Using TCI without some direct instruction included. #sschat
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#sschat when do kids lose their love of school? When they move from el to ms usually...and how do el teachers teach? Hands on baby!
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I think we have to consider why teachers teach the way they do and provide meaningful alternatives. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck I agree, & am definitely not advocating that we all lecture, just pointing out that we shouldn't reject it either. #sschat
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#sschat @ Becky_Ellis_ ugggg!!! how boring, poor kids, this is exactly what kills curiosity and love of learning
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#sschat lectures are easily delivered; not as easily digested by students
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My 8th grade daughter has to outline EVERY chapter in the book. No fun #sschat
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There r some great tweets from #sschat my fear is that teachers who aren't S. S. teach may not join can we streamline all chats 2 #teachchat
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Q2: What methods should we be incorporating into our lessons? Some have already been mentioned. #sschat
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@ classroomtools Some teachers are like a Jedi master in the classroom when they lecture but many are not. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck i much prefer drafting a few ?s and letting students bat them around -- new questions always come out of their responses #sschat
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@ lamoureuxr discussing which methods/procedures should be rethought or replaced #sschat
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#sschat I do not think my science methods class was all that great either!!
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@ padgets I think teaching is so time consuming that many teachers do what takes the least amount of time and energy...Lecture! #sschat
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@ kyteacher that is better than my ss methods class. Fortunatley I had lots of subject specific training @ LBUSD. #sschat
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@ padgets YES! BITSA in California is a beginning teacher program that is hours of extra time and paperwork. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck ou've just said exactly what I say to tchrs, and I see that all the time (tchrs answering own questions). #sschat
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@ cybraryman1 I agree. My ss methods class was built around TCI & History Alive! Huge influence on my classroom. #sschat
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#sschat do you think teachers get involved in too many things besides teaching that takes away from the classroom?
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@ Ron_Peck Watch what Sandel does. He is a jedi master of what lectures can be. #sschat
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@ blairteach If we're answering our own questions or calling on the same students to assist us, then we're doing it wrong. #sschat
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#sschat we spend our time building activities like you all describe..we have a market because teachers aren't given quality time to
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#sschat I like the inquiry method - have students analyze primary sources art replica of Confederate $ etc
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#sschat @ padgets for improvement but that I believe is a whole other issue!
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It all starts with the training of Social Studies teachers. Teach them all the different methods to engage students #sschat
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@ classroomtools Yes, lectures can be engaging but how do we know they are understanding what is being said? And are they listening. #sschat
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the problem isn't the lecture, it's the student's lack of practice performing higher level thinking on a daily basis #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck I often use the "Anyone, Anyone" clip from Ferris Bueller in training. #sschat
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#sschat @ padgets ha good ? I think it depends on the individual teacher but I think teacher evals need to be utilized more as a tool for
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Agree with CFU when doing anything. Even "involving" students must be more guided. Some see creativity and PBL's as free roaming. #sschat
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RT @ cybraryman1: "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." #sschat <--Yes!
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What do you think about outlining ? Is that becoming outdated ? #sschat
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I'm totally missing #sschat :( Gonna try to head home now and catch the end..
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#sschat build the lesson first, get down to essential knowledge, then create activity to ins
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@ Ron_Peck From watching Michael Sandal's JUSTICE lectures at Harvard, I've learned that even lecturers can be engaging & creative. #sschat
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I'm not saying lecturing is bad but you must check for understanding and then mix in other activities. Get them out of their seat. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck Most often, I don't see much intentional checking or understanding; lots of anonymous choral responses to questions. #sschat
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#sschat so does admin say you will change or how can we get those to change?
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@ padgets I think it's the school/district responsibility to train teacher how to implement best prac then admin job to follow thru #sschat
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#sschat I want kids engaged, not busy!
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Amen, amen. Too bad we're preaching to the choir here. RT @ Ron_Peck: Reject anything that can be and is busy work. #sschat
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RT @ Ron_Peck: We need to move away from teacher centered teaching differentiate our methods in order to meet needs of all students. #sschat
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RT @ Ron_Peck: We need to move away from tchr centered tchng 24/7 & differentiate our methods in order to meet the needs of all stds. #sschat
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If we are lecturing, are we frequently checking for understanding? #sschat
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@ padgets A large portion of history teachers seem dedicated to the proposition that all students must be engaged in busywork #sschat
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@ padgets Our principal changed the seating to groups at tables #sschat
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@ merchantkrystle ... the most creative soc studies materials available. I was shocked to learn that most people bought worksheets. #sschat
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Reject anything that can be and is busy work. #sschat
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#sschat teachers need varied instruction like their students learning styles are varied.
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#sschat so do you say to a teacher, hey change to other ways of delivering your content and do they do this willingly?
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We need to employ a variety of methods #sschat
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Thanks! I agree with that, but I also see importance in reading a text in small doses to gain the needed info #sschat
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@ merchantkrystle Good luck there. I spent a summer working for Social Studies School Service. They continue to have some of ... #sschat
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We need to move away from teacher centered teaching 24/7 and differentiate our methods in order to meet the needs of all students. #sschat
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We have to get our students to think critically and be problem solvers #sschat
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Biggest issue I see when observing SS classrooms is lack of variety; too much lecture/notes/test w/little else. #sschat
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if there was anything to eject from the classroom, i'd say worksheets #sschat
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RT @ UkiahCoachBrown Don't reject text, don't reject lecture. Just do them better! <I agree. Both are appropriate @ times. Mix it up. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck There are some groups in need of predictability & stability, for a variety of reasons. Consistency might be nec. for them. #sschat
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@ classroomtools I think often, however we learn best is how we naturally teach. but if that is the only way we do it... #sschat
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Agree! RT @ Ron_Peck: IMO if we are doing just one method all the time then we need to change. #sschat
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I have set up a calendar in PBworks and we thought we would invite some people and then ask for volunteers alot like #engchat does. #sschat
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@ mshuflin I think some of the regular #sschat participants would be outstanding moderators too, but heck yeah @ rmbyrne would be awesome!
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Eliminate: read the text and do the section reviews. many at my school are still doing it but kids don't get anything out of it #sschat
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Don't reject text, don't reject lecture. You will be doing a create disservice to a large populations of kids. Just do them better! #sschat
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@ mshuflin True, but I don't consider autopilot a method. I think of it as the absence of method. #sschat
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IMO if we are doing just one method all the time then we need to change. #sschat
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@ Becky_Ellis_ Yes, even that; although I would suggest using it only after very careful analysis of the situation. #sschat
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@ Ron_Peck I really enjoy hearing from different people on #sschat. We have a wealth of experience here to tap into.
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@ classroomtools But we should avoid any methods that are not well thought out. Autopilot isn't a good method #sschat
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#sschat I would like to see less lecture and book work and more PBL
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@ classroomtools uhhh even the open your book to page 107 read the chapter and answer the questions on page 115? #sschat
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Before we get started @ Becky_Ellis_ and I were discussing the opportunity to open #sschat to guest moderators. Thoughts?
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"Those who do not know their history are condemned to repeat it!" #sschat
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We shouldn't reject any procedures. We should be familiar with them all, so we can choose the most appropriate for each situation. #sschat
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#sschat I guess I am already behind!
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#sschat Hi everybody! my name is Sharon and I am a HS science teacher from Iowa :[-)
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RT @ becky_ellis_: #sschat starts in 5 minutes. Discussing methods or procedures we should reject and what they should be replaced with.
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Ron_Peck Ron
Welcome to #sschat. Tonight we are discussing methods or procedures we should reject and what they should be replaced with.
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